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Jul 30 2008

The Fluminense Paradox Continues

Fluminense making the Copa Libertadores final gave them leave on a poor Brasileirao start that has had them in nineteenth place for most of the season.  But with their upset loss to Ecuador’s LDU Quito far behind, new reasons for Fluminense’s relegation battle need be used.  There is no shortage of them, be it general performance, their busy schedule, or the Olympics.  Even considering all the excuses, it remains a paradox that a club on the bring of being crowned best team in South America finds itself in a fight to avoid relegation to Brazil’s Serie B.

In explaining Flu’s problems, it’s best to avoid nuance at the start.  They’re playing poorly, particularly in attack.  Lead striker Washington (pictured, above) is a great story (overcoming serious health problems) and is a veteran presence, but he’s also been wildly in efficient and is not posing much of a threat to opponents despite leading the club with five goals.  Combine this with a dip in domestic form and unavailability of star winger Thiago Neves and you have one of the worst attacks in the league, averaging about one goal per match.

The Neves (right) issue can not be understated.  Last year’s Bola de Ouro winner has played in only five of the team’s fifteen matches, within which he’s scored only one goal.  He and star center back Thiago Silva are in Beijing with the Brazil Olympic team, leaving the embattled Tricolor three more weeks without their two best players.  With little contribution offensively coming beyond their forwards (only four goals from non-strikers), the team is highly reliant on Neves for their offense.

Neves, for his part, seems slightly less motivated than last year’s player who had just returned to Brazil from a failed stint in Japan.  Motivated to reestablish his career and value, Neves had 12 goals in 33 league contests while leading Fluminense to a third place finish.  He put himself on the radar of European clubs with that Bola de Ouro-winning performance and his four goals in two legs Copa final effort.  But that Cope output dwarfs what Neves has been able to contribute for his club, a deficiency that’s reflected in the team’s place in the table.

The attention that Neves has garnered over the last season might have him ready to move on.  You don’t have your name associated with the Arsenals and AS Romas or the world, the Londons and Romes, without looking a little beyond your current club.  The Olympics will be another chance for the winger to capture big European clubs’ imaginations, and though he is not currently slated to start for Brazil, one good substitute’s contribution could be enough to convince a club to table an offer.  If that happens, Fluminense might consider whether their chances of avoiding relegation would improve with the Neves distraction having moved on, his former teammates becoming less reliant on him in the process.

Thiago Silva (right) could also find his way to Europe.  It would be a bad decision at this point, as he is relatively new to his center back position, and although he has the raw talent to play in Europe right now, he would stunt his development if he left now.  There is a level of seasoning that he, as a center back, needs before he jumps the Atlantic and starts trying to read European attacks.  Perhaps he won’t be a center back in Europe (with his atleticism, he can play anywhere on the pitch), but he would be selling himself short if he relegated himself to an unrefined, utility role at this point in his development.

While Flu could get just sort of £10 million for him, the club needs him to hold together their defence, an unexpected positive this season after the back line was picked apart by LDU.  ilva, if he stays through the end of this season, could also make himself a good amount of money through continued improvement in his position, enabling his club to demand a higher fee and him to ask for a better salary.  While Fluminense might want to move Neves and force some of the underperforming attackers to lift the level of their games, Silva is critical to Flu’s recovery from this horrible start.

The Copa Libertadores disappointment seems to have created a hangover that Fluminense has never been able to shake.  Not taking the domestic schedule seriously at the Brasileirso’s onset, their loss to LDU gave them license to continue their uninspired play.  There were signs of life two weeks ago, when Flu garners consecutive victories over Atletico Paranaense and (impressively) Vitoria, that the club ma have turned a corner.  Shortly after Flu lost Neves and Silva to the Olympics, and momentum ceased last week with one point in two matches.  Beijing has given the Tricolor a reason to carry on with their post-Copa malaze.

Neves and Silva will return in late August, at which point Fluminense should still be in a relegation position.  The club will only need a small run to avoid relegation, though their stars will be on the end of a busy season which will have had them play the Libertadores, Olympics and their regular club schedule.  Brazilian football can be a very arduous endeavor for players, some of whom will play eighty matches over a calendar year.  Neves and Silva will be amongst the busiest.

Fluminense is both reliant on their stars and needs other players to step-up.  Argentine Darío Conca (pictured) has only one goal in seven matches.  He’s capable of more, particularly since he takes many of the team’s spots.  Washington needs to be more efficient, as his goal rate belies the number of opportunities he gets.  Dodo (four goals) must continue contributing, and another player from behind the strikers must provide more of a threat.  The back line has been decent, with Flu only allowing 21 goals through the first 15 rounds.  Goals is what the team needs, whether they come from Neves or not.

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Jul 04 2008

Who is Thiago Neves?

Fluminense attacker Thiago NevesThat such a question can be asked in earnestness amongst serious football followers speaks to the growing divide between the European club scene and the rest of the world.  The name rings true, but few in the Euro-centric footballing world know much of the play.  Whereas the leagues of Brazil and Argentina were once feared for the fierce club filled with unknown talents that could emerge from the media black hole, information now travels faster, as do players.  Most of the talent drained from Brazil’s Serie A and Argentina’s Primera Division has created a new black hole of neglect and ignorance.

How else can you explain most of the football-following world knowing little of Thiago Neves.  Even as the results from Wednesday’s second leg of the Copa Libertadores finals were reported, LDU Quito’s triumph from the match was the story reported to the exclusion of all others.  In a two match tie that ended 5-5, would you think one player scoring the last four of his team’s goals would be worth reporting?  If yes, then you too are interested in Thiago Neves.

Neves is a 23-year-old attacker for the Brazilian side Fluminense.  After LDU scored early in the second leg to go up 5-2 on aggregate, Neves scored three goals over the course of the next forty minutes to bring his team to even.  He also scored Fluminense’s second goal in Quito, making him the only Fluzão player to score after a set piece goal from Darío Conca early in the first leg.  Perhaps it goes without saying when one player is that prolific:  he was the best player on the pitch.

Fluminense, favored entering the final tie, lost in part because they underestimated LDU Quito (and let their opponents jump out to early leads in each match), in part because Neves ran out of gas.  After Neves’s second leg outburst, he ran out of steam, cutting short his tries on goal by taking low percentage shots from distance. Another goal, a winning goal, would have made a legend - a four goal night to win the Copa Libertadores. As is, he has made himself known.

Why did I know so little about Neves before last night? Neves won last season’s Bola de Ouro, given to the best player in Brazil. The previous winner of the award, Lucas Leiva, is a well known player for Liverpool. Winners in the preceding seasons - Carlos Tevez and Robinho - speak for themselves. Neves, however, came to the Bola de Ouro on less of a bullet.  His coming off his first season back in Brazil after a stint in Japan where he obtained mixed results in the Japanese second division amidst word of general, personal instability.  Returning to Brazil, Neves joined Fluminesne, immediately dominating while helping the Tricolor recover from a disastrous fifteenth place finish in 2006 with a fourth place finish.  But such success could only partly diminish the lingering feelings from his Japan stint and his inability to break into Brazil’s national side (to date, on international cap).

Some reports have AS Roma making a play for Neves, trying to bring him in before the start of the Italian Serie A.  He has been tracked by Arsene Wenger and Arsenal since the middle of last season, with Manchester United and Inter Milan also having interest.  At one time, AC Milan were said to have interest.  It’s the normal crowd associated with any major name on the international scene with the surprising absence of any La Liga teams, where I had instinctively thought his game most suited.  As with most football rumors, it’s best to assume as little as possible, no matter how much fun fantasy football manager can be.

Fluminesne currently sits at the bottom of Brazil’s Serie A, but with Copa finished, they still have plenty of time to make their mark on the league championship.  It is a story I plan on following throughout the summer.

Note: I have not been able to find any word on Neves’ “instability” beyond a reference from Tim Vickery in an article from June 30, 2008.  That article is linked, below.

Links

Roma Joins the Race for Thiago Neves
Neves nets bitter-sweet finals hattrick
Vickery column: Neves “instability”
Vickery Speaks to World Soccer Daily on Thiago Neves

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Jul 03 2008

LDU Quito Takes Copa Libertadores

Liga de QuitoAs a mentioned earlier, I have not watched the second leg of the Copa Libertadores final yet, but it’s been impossible for me to miss the results.  LDU Quito won a penalty shootout over Brazilian club Fluminense, which had evened the tie at five with a 3-1 victory in the second leg.  LDU won the shootout 3-1 to claim their first Copa Libertadores.

LDU actually score the first goal of the contest, taking their aggregate lead to 5-2.  Fluminense scored three goals over the rest of the match to force the penalty shootout.  The challenge may have been somewhat surprising to the Brazilian side who had earlier said they considered overcoming their deficit a formality.

It was the first time an Ecuadorian club has ever won the title and only the third time a team from Ecuador’s league had made the final.  In forty-nine competitions, teams from Brazil or Argentina had won thirty-four times.  If you add Uruguay, clubs from other nations have only won five Copas.  While the win was a first for Liga and Ecuador, it should make the last time an Ecuadorian side is underestimated.

It’s a bit of a shame that the Champions League and Euro 2008 have overshadowed Copa Libertadores.  The amount of money being thrown around the European leagues has helped drain talent from South America, but the quality of football from the sure depth of talent in Brazil and Argentina keeps their league strong.  The lack of exposure for the continent’s other leagues helps do the same there, while the crowds alone are enough to watch the matches.

The second leg of the Copa final was attended by 80,000 at Maracana in Rio de Janeiro.

Links

Liga de Quito becomes Ecuador’s first Copa Libertadors winner

LDU celebrate another first for Ecuador

LDU make history to win Libertadores thriller

LDU beats Fluminese on PK’s to win Copa Lib

Fluminense coach devastated by Libertadores final defeat

Fluminense believe Libertadores final a formality

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